Lessons in Risk Management from the First 20 Episodes of Risk Is Our Business
“Risk isn’t the enemy. It’s the mission.”
— Risk Is Our Business Podcast
Over the course of its first 20 episodes, Risk Is Our Business has become more than a podcast — it is a chronicle of challenge and change across the governance, risk, and compliance (GRC) landscape. Hosted by Michael Rasmussen, the Father of GRC, the series traverses global stages — Zurich, London, Copenhagen, Berlin, Dallas, and beyond — to gather insight from risk leaders who are rethinking how we navigate uncertainty in today’s volatile world.
The message that emerges is as consistent as it is urgent: Risk management, particularly in the United States, is often failing. Even where it exists in name, it often lacks purpose, alignment, and relevance. In contrast, European institutions are forging ahead with quantification, simulation, and integration — tying risk to performance, strategy, and decision-making.
This article distills the critical lessons from those first 20 episodes — a mission log for anyone serious about making risk management real, strategic, and fit for the future.
The Great Illusion: Where Risk Management Is Failing
1. ERM as Performance Theater
In Episode 20: “Shields Up, Heat Maps Down” with Tim Leech, Leech exposes the hollow shell of many so-called enterprise risk management programs. Rooted in risk registers, heat maps, and residual risk scoring, these programs generate documents — not decisions.
“ERM grew up in a way that does not provide much information about the effect of uncertainty on the entity’s most important objectives.” – Tim Leech
The focus is not on enabling strategy, but on surviving audits. Most risk assessments are performed to produce artifacts, not insights. And if the risk team vanished tomorrow, little would change.
2. The Failure of Heat Maps and Risk Matrices
Few tools are as ubiquitous — or as misleading — as heat maps and risk matrices. In Episode 14: “The Wrath of Math” with Graeme Keith, we get a ruthless critique of these comfort blankets.
“Monte Carlo is just a way of combining uncertainties. But we’re still stuck with red, yellow, and green — as if uncertainty is a traffic light.” – Graeme Keith
Subjective scoring systems flatten complexity into simple quadrants. They fail to address interdependencies, cannot be aggregated, and offer no support for real-world prioritization. They look scientific but deliver distortion — giving executives the illusion of control without the substance of clarity.
3. Disconnection from Decision-Making and Objectives
One of the most recurring themes across the series is this: risk management is often not connected to decision-making, strategic planning, or performance management.
In Episode 11: “From Checkbox to Compass” with Jennifer Geary, the point is made clearly — if the board only hears from risk in the final five minutes of a meeting, then risk is not part of how the organization decides anything.
“If CROs are not guiding strategy and planning, they are not managing risk. They are performing a ritual.” – Jennifer Geary
Decisions are made in ignorance of risk. Risk appetite statements are rarely consulted. Strategy is set first; risk management is asked to follow along after.
4. Appetite for Value, Not Risk: Stefan Gershater’s Strategic Reframing
This critique reaches its most radical and compelling expression in Episode 17: “Breaking the Prime Directive” with Stefan Gershater.
A former Royal Navy officer turned Head of Risk and Governance at Co-op, Stefan dismantles the myth that risk management is about limits, controls, and fear. Instead, he insists it must be about value creation and decision enablement.
“You have no appetite for risk. You have appetite for the outcome. Risk is what you’re willing to tolerate in pursuit of that value.” – Stefan Gershater
He likens much of risk management to bloodletting — a procedure so entrenched in tradition that its ineffectiveness goes unchallenged. Risk registers reviewed twice a year? Meaningless. Heat maps? Distracting. The real work, Stefan argues, lies in aligning risk practice with mission clarity, objective achievement, and dynamic trade-offs.
He also argues that many risk professionals have internalized a defensive posture — operating as “brakes” rather than strategic partners. They should instead become co-pilots in steering the organization toward its highest-value goals.
Europe’s Strategic Lead in Risk Maturity
In contrast to the stagnation in many U.S.-based programs, European organizations are forging ahead — often under regulatory compulsion, but also cultural expectation — to embed risk into the fabric of decision-making.
1. Germany: Quantify or Be Irrelevant
As explained by Florian Worm in Episode 18, Germany’s IDW PS 340 standard has raised the bar. Organizations must quantify their top risks, normalize scenarios, and aggregate exposures across the enterprise. This is not optional — it is expected.
Florian describes how digital twins are being used to simulate operations and forecast how cascading risks will impact objectives, strategy, and resilience. In this world, heat maps are not just inadequate — they are malpractice.
“If you’re not quantifying risk and linking it to performance, you’re just coloring in boxes.” – Florian Worm
2. Switzerland: Risk in the Rhythm of Leadership
At Genève Aéroport, André Schneider (Episode 5) embedded risk directly into the executive workflow. Each C-level leader owned their risk portfolio. Risk was not a separate function — it was a leadership discipline.
This model led to innovations like differentiated landing fees to reduce airport noise — a case study in how risk, when linked to performance and creativity, can drive transformation.
3. UK and the Provision 29 Mandate
Jennifer Geary discusses how the UK’s Corporate Governance Code (Provision 29) is pushing boards to understand and oversee the effectiveness of internal control and risk management systems. This is catalyzing a shift in board behavior: from ceremonial reviews to active engagement.
The difference between Europe and the U.S., Geary notes, is not technical — it is philosophical. Europe asks, “Can you prove this is safe?” America asks, “Can you prove this caused harm?”
From Risk Reporting to Risk Leadership: What Good Looks Like
The episodes together form a composite image of what effective risk management actually looks like — not the illusion of it.
1. Risk Starts with Objectives
Every strong risk function begins by asking: What are we trying to achieve? Risk is not about what could go wrong — it is about what could affect the achievement of our objectives.
This objective-centric thinking is the hallmark of leaders like Tim Leech, Norman Marks, Alex Sidorenko, Laura Fox, and Stefan Gershater.
“Good risk management is indistinguishable from good management.” – Norman Marks, Episode 12
2. Quantification Is Not Optional
From Monte Carlo simulation to distribution-based modeling, the best programs replace comfort metrics with analytical clarity. They understand how uncertainty impacts performance metrics — not just how many risks were “mitigated.”
“Modeling is storytelling — what makes it scientific is that the story generates numbers we can test.” – Graeme Keith
3. Digital Twins Enable Strategic Simulation
Leaders like Pascal Busch and EY Germany are championing digital twins — models of processes, vendors, assets, and objectives that allow for simulation, what-if analysis, and real-time decision support.
These tools allow risk to be integrated into strategic planning, budget cycles, procurement decisions, and operational shifts.
4. Embedded in Strategy, Not Beside It
Risk management belongs on the bridge — not in the engine room. Whether it is in capital allocation, vendor selection, M&A, or product launches, risk must be part of how strategy is formed, not just how it is reviewed.
“The danger is not the risk you know. It is the one you never thought to ask about.” – Pascal Busch
5. Cultural and Human-Centric
Tools do not manage risk — people do. As Kristina Tranberg reminds us, the success of any GRC system lies in how well it engages the people who use it. Her gamified approach to risk — through the GRC Master board game — demonstrates how risk can be made tangible, engaging, and embedded in culture.
GRC 7.0 – Orchestrate: The Future Has Already Arrived
In Episode 19 with EY Germany, we are introduced to GRC 7.0 – GRC Orchestrate — the next chapter in the evolution of governance, risk, and compliance.
GRC Orchestrate is:
- Digital: Powered by real-time data and connected systems
- Semantic: Built on shared language and ontologies across GRC domains
- Agentic: Using AI to support risk triage, analysis, and foresight
- Embedded: Operating inside the business — not as an external layer
This model does not just monitor risk. It helps navigate it — in real time, across every layer of the enterprise.
“This is not just automation. This is orchestration. It is how GRC becomes intelligence — not process.” – Patrick Risch
Final Transmission: Risk Must Come Home to Purpose
Risk Is Our Business has offered 20 transmissions — not from the edge of uncertainty, but from the center of transformation.
The verdict is clear:
- Heat maps are dead.
- Risk registers are outdated.
- Compliance checklists are not risk management.
- A risk team that is not embedded in strategy is not a risk team — it is a reporting function.
If your organization treats risk as a quarterly review, as a color-coded dashboard, or as a siloed department, you are not managing risk. You are managing the illusion of it.
The future is clear — and already underway.
Risk must become:
- Quantified
- Strategic
- Embedded
- Orchestrated
- Purpose-driven
Because risk is not what slows us down.
It is what allows us to move forward — with eyes open, systems aligned, and purpose intact.
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